"Tyrion stood in that dark cellar for a long time, staring at Balerion’s huge, empty-eyed skull until his torch burned low, trying to grasp the size of the living animal, to imagine how it must have looked when it spread its great black wings and swept across the skies, breathing fire." (p.122)
Tyrion Appreciation Week Day 3Colors
I think the “too much like dark elves” comment was about the silver hair, not the valyrians being poc. Dark elves have dark skin and white hair.
I’m sorry, maybe my point was unclear. I never said that the Valyrians were POC. I wasn’t trying to say that the Valyrians were POC, because GRRM says they’re not. And yeah, I know what drow / dark elves look like.
My point was, as I said in the previous post, GRRM makes a mental association between Targaryens and elves. In GRRM’s own words, the Targaryens are "high fantasy". It’s widely known that GRRM is a fan of LOTR, which is the archetypal high fantasy. From Tolkien Gateway:
Elven hair colour is quite varied and complex. […] Additionally, a silver hair colour existed in the royal houses of the Sindar, with Thingol, Círdan and Celeborn all described as having silver hair. Galadriel displayed an extremely rare hair colour nowhere else observed: “silver-golden” hair, said to be dazzlingly beautiful
The phrase “blood of the dragon” refers to what are considered typical Targaryen features: silvery-gold (or platinum) hair and violet eyes.
Various Targaryens throughout the history of the House have had silver hair or silver-gold hair (though there are mixed-race Targaryens like Princess Rhaenys with dark hair).
Speaking of Valyria… right from the start I wanted the Targaryens, and by extension the Valryians from whom they were descended, to be a race apart, with distinctive features that set them apart from the rest of Westeros, and helped explain their obsession with the purity of their blood. To do this, I made a conventional ‘high fantasy’ choice, and gave them silver-gold hair, purple and violet eyes, fine chiseled aristocratic features. That worked well enough, at least in the books (on the show, less so).
Silver or silver-gold hair is — I believe? I’m not a Tolkien expert — only found among elven royalty in LOTR, and GRRM said he “made a conventional ‘high-fantasy’ choice” and that he wanted the Targaryens to look “aristocratic”.
From a 2008 Q&A:
[Are the children of the forest like elves, and are there other races besides them?]
No, no elves. The children are… well, the children. Westeros has its giants too, so there are other races in my world. But no elves. Elves have been done to death.
There are no elves in Westeros, but my point is that the Targaryens were inspired by elves (“a race apart”). If GRRM had made the Targaryens dark-skinned, he says that "comes too close to ‘dark elf’ territory." By that reasoning, given that the Targaryens are fair-skinned, then they must surely ~come close to~ fair-skinned elf territory? If the analogy holds for one skin-color, does it not hold for another? I know that skin color among elves has good/evil connotations, but there are no such absolutes in GRRM’s world.
This is why the Targaryens have the hair and eye color that they do, because it was inspired by elven royalty and Old Hollywood royalty.
it’s not exclusive to nobility. the most famous noble house of elves, feanor + co actually have dark brown hair, with galadriel being the exception. :] silver is a teleri thing. but elves as a whole? /gestures at targs. very much that aesthetic.
There we go.
What I meant was that I think he was saying he wanted to avoid the dark skin/silver hair combination. Of course, that doesn’t mean he couldn’t have made the Valyrians dark skinned, because if he wanted to he could have given them some other hair color. But I can see why he would have wanted to avoid making Dany look like Drizzt do’Urden.
Of course, GRRM could have easily avoided the good/evil dichotomy by giving the Targaryens mixed skin color instead of having them be uniformly light or dark skinned.
"Little Lions" for fseventh
The colour pallet challenge:
Head Canon Little Jaime and Tyrion (Cersei is a bonus)
you know what I was thinking the other day? I was thinking that the problem ASoIaF/GoT fandom seems to have with appreciating tyrion’s character may be indicative of a larger problem - that of fandom coming to terms with well-written and fully-formed disabled characters characters at all. I mean, common fan interpretations of tyrion seem to come in two variations: either tyrion is someone who doesn’t let his disability get him down!!! who thinks that the only disability is a bad attitude! who, I have even heard argued, “we can forget is disabled at all!”
or he is dangerous. abusive. lecherous. deviant. a card-carrying villain, and a dwarf to boot.
and is it any wonder interpretations of tyrion are so limited - and untrue to his character - when such caricatures often pass for meaningful representation of disability in media? perhaps disabled characters like tyrion - who, like real people, are capable of deeds both selfless and terribly selfish, whose experiences with disability have shaped them in ways that are sometimes unpleasant to watch but that are essential to their identities - are so baffling to readers/viewers because they remain almost a complete novelty in fiction today.
so either tyrion doesn’t really count disabled at all - is, in fact, an inspiration for ~overcoming~ his disability and throwing off the word entirely! - or he is a clichéd comic book villain whose emotional responses to the abuse and trauma that are a product of his experiences with achondroplasia are written off as “self-pity.”
tyrion is not allowed to be both disabled and a complete character worthy of our consideration. we can only appreciate tyrion if we first divorce the word “disability” from our understanding of his narrative arc.
and I can’t tell you how much that sucks - because tyrion’s is a disability narrative, and the relative lack of those in popular culture shouldn’t stop us from recognizing and appreciating them when they exist. rather, it should drive us to hold onto the ones we do get with great ferocity! which is part of the reason I cling to tyrion and his arc like I do.
Little baby Sansa.
A) omg Annie :33
B) Like, disabled characters and the ableism they draw is what I’ve assumed to be the issue, or at least part of it, but yeah, now you say it… Hmm. You’re right.
I never got hate for making Spencer Reid’s autism explicit, or for giving a kid of Bruce Wayne’s Asperger’s.
I mean, hell, I wrote fic for Sherlock BBC and didn’t skirt around John Watson’s disability, and the supposed worst fandom in the world was, quite frankly, thrilled to see it dealt with sensitively.
Like, there are plenty of reasons to be wary of Sansa/Willas. So many. But his being disabled is NOT one of them. His being disabled should not be the thing with which people primarily concern themselves. It is not something that should be thrown at me as a means of attempting to dissuade me from shipping S/W. Like. It won’t make a blind bit of difference to me. Ever.
I sometimes think that it comes from a misguided attempt at feminism? One of the things that Sansa, like a lot of girls/women, gets criticized for is being “shallow” (i.e., having preferences). So I think there’s sometimes a knee-jerk reaction to those ships where the male partner isn’t traditionally attractive/has some kind of physical flaw.
Sansa likes pretty things. And I absolutely agree that she shouldn’t be criticized for that. But the insistence that Sansa could never love a disabled person is something that first of all, I don’t think is true at all, and second of all, is really fucking ableist.
"You are an ill-made, devious, disobedient, spiteful little creature full of envy, lust, and low cunning".